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[Protaz]

Look i havnt been on biatch for a while now, but one of my clan members came on today and got banned from which he said he got no warning.

I totally respect u guys and all, but i really dont like fingers being pointed for sumfing i havnt a clue about, Aprently u say he cheated but how i havnt got a clue before devil dog kicked me for voicing my opinion and asking nicely a fair few times before geting frustrated with him, which i apolagise for, it woz sumfing to do with his config which i know is legit cos ive seen it. Removing dead bodies or ragdolls is not a cheat so plz explain to me what else he done or why u think this is a cheat ?

And why all of a suddon after not being on biatch for ages does my clan get abused and slated for cheating which i can guarentee none of my clan do including myself.

And ffs i may not play public as much but come on ive been on biatch since i started playing this game i thought u guys would know me by now, thats why im so pissed off with the situation, as biatch is where i started css and ive met alot of great people on there.

[DeViL_DoG]

I totally respect u guys and all, but i really dont like fingers being pointed for sumfing i havnt a clue about, Aprently u say he cheated but how i havnt got a clue before devil dog kicked me for voicing my opinion and asking nicely a fair few times before geting frustrated with him, which i apolagise for, it woz sumfing to do with his config which i know is legit cos ive seen it. Removing dead bodies or ragdolls is not a cheat so plz explain to me what else he done or why u think this is a cheat ?

And why all of a suddon after not being on biatch for ages does my clan get abused and slated for cheating which i can guarentee none of my clan do including myself.

And ffs i may not play public as much but come on ive been on biatch since i started playing this game i thought u guys would know me by now, thats why im so pissed off with the situation, as biatch is where i started css and ive met alot of great people on  there.

Your first point i didnt kick u i was trying to have a sensable conversation with u but when i tryed to talk all u did was shout over me , Matha kicked u for talkin to admin the way u did .

Now i was having probs with my mic it was still transmitting when it wasnt pressed and ppl couldnt hear what i was saying but u could and a few others but there was no need to shout over me and abuse when i was trying to tell ya somthing

The config u are using removes dead bodies ( cheeting in our eyes cos u aint playing the game how it is supposed to be played ) but i guess anything to give u an advantage over the normal players

This config allso messes with hit boxes ( why on earth would u want anything like that )

This is a public server yes u have been on there a long time but using a config that removes dead bodies and messes with hit boxes will not be tollerated

[Snowman]

I cannot answer for sure what exactly happened as I was not there but......

Why is it you who is complaining and not the player concerned?

I have seen the config you use, having tried it myself when it was passed to me.

To me removing bodies or changing any of the parms which affect game play is a form of cheating. The game is meant to be played with dead bodies... removing them gives you the advantage that anything u see that is a model is infact alive along with changing other settings which affect smoke, flash etc.

I have not looked to indepth into the config as there are a lot of settings in there.

We do have forms of checking on our server and maybe it was one of those that highlighted a potential issue and from there admin took action.

Unfortunately no matter how much you know someone you never really know what they might be using to play CSS and that also goes for BIATCH but we have to trust each other. Sometimes watching people play can highlight things which look like someone has some sort of advantage and if this is noticed by a number of players then action is taken.

BIATCH is a great place to play as can be seen by the number of people coming back time after time. If this player is good, why use this enhanced config?

Can the player in question please speak on this board.

[wedge]

yep agreed dev and snow any form of manipulation is cheating in my book, this is why we have a ratew checker and anti cheat, however removing bodies from the map whilst playing imo is a cheat as well, protaz is a good player, but if he thinks that cause he has history with biatch gives him less right to be banned then he is sorely mistaken, protaz if this is the config you still use then you're not welcome on our server.

[Protaz]

firstly, it woznt jus my clan member that woz in question and as u say u seen my config which im baffled about because ive never gave it to anyone.

And anything that changes the game is cheating maybe u need to be banning most the regs on your server as they use custom skins which is changing the game so why pick me out ? i donno but if it makes u feel beta then sure why not, ive used remove dead bodies for like 1 week just to stop major lagg in fire fight situations i cant see how having custom skins or removing dead bodies is any different tbh

My config has like 2 changes in it over a normal config and thats remove dead bodies which i know alot of people on your server use and eject brass which removes shells on ur gun, which are just graphic changes to stop lagg.

This has never been a issue about my clan i know for a fact this is more personal if u think i cheat or my clan then fine tbh nothing i can do about it but rant on, which is pointless cos obviously u dont trust what i have to say.

Id never thought id ever be posting on this forum about this kind of thing, having to defend myself after being on biatch for so long, and for one i havnt even been on biatch for like 3 weeks and i get this in my face what a joke.

I honeslty thought biatch woz a great place with sum fun cs playing guys
but if ur geting down to removing dead bodies or config settings to bann people then surely sumfing needs changing.

Biatch is not the same place i remember back when i first started.. fun seems to have left the building as have I.

Laterz.

[Darunia]

Biatch is not the same place i remember back when i first started.. fun seems to have left the building as have I.

Laterz.

What are you moaning about? Every server has rules, including this one. If you don't like it then... well you know the rest!

Darunia

[DeViL_DoG]

Hummmmmm im not going to get into a full debate over this

If u didnt give it to no 1 how did i get hold of it

ppl use custom skins to make the game more colourfull e.g different outfits for ct + t my self ive got the punkhouse fraggers splash pack on and the only diff between the old stuff is its got PHF on the vests , vending machines in office and a wide screen plasma tv in office.

That isnt cheeting thats makin the game more fun for yourself while playing it

Re-moving dead bodies and messing with hit boxes is cheeting

As for your comments about BIATCH used to be a fun place to play on its still is being 84th out of 20000 servers we must be doing somthing right

Protaz wrote:

Biatch is not the same place i remember back when i first started.. fun seems to have left the building as have I.

Laterz.


Dont forget to Close the door behind u

[Protaz]

Well mate u havnt got my config i 100% can say that, cos messing with hitboxes wtf u going on about? i have 2 thingsin my config snowy said i have loads of stuff im confused maybe sumone has sent u a config of crap of sumones else config and said it woz mine, or maybe its this config
http://www.team-su.com/ robs config which i sent a few people to look at like sephi and a few others.

And devil dog u really dont know what is cheating go join a tornament or league with custom skins u get urself banned and look up remove ragdolls its alowd im afraid, Ask anyone thats played cs for a long time
they will tell you the same, i dont have anything that u say in my config except remove ragdolls so this has been a complete waste of time because your sources are wrong and once again jumped to conclusions.

[Snowman]

Protaz why are you getting so heated up, because this wasnt about you or your profile. We are talking about another player and his config!!! Seems odd your trying to defend yourself here when your not in question. Because you seem to be acting on behalf of this player, when we refer to "your profile", we are meaning his.

And I never said you had loads of other stuff... all i said was there are loads of other settings which i dont know what they do. Therefore I wasnt implying anything.

Again, I ask you why has your clan member not personally posted on here. Does he have something to hide?

BIATCH is still a fun place to be. All that has changed is that we have more admin around now to oversee things and some other very good players on top of the regulars and other new players.

[Moonraker]

Just reading through the forums and I come across this! lol.

I don't get it. Snowy said Protaz hasn't been questioned, but Wedge says it's the cfg he uses. So did Devil dog. Who exactly sent this config to Devil and who says they are a legit source???

Also, noone says anything about hitboxes? Unless I'm blind.

On the subject of Skins making things colorful, some anti-cheats kick custom skins people. I saw one the other day that had T's as bright pink and CT's and bright yellow! (If I find the screenshot again, I'll post it).

To be honest, that is technically "messing with the game" and on that subject.... I only have one thing to say:

http://biatch-clan.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.p...hlight=fps+gain

What has been stated here, this guy should be banned. It's only fair.

Even if Protaz has said he has a few things, Gear Change (who is a regular - and imo hard to hit), has shit loads INCLUDING cl_ragdoll_physics_enable 0. Yet noone had a go at him saying Rag Doll physics was hacking?

I'm sorry guys but that's double standards. Pro is a good lad and we have rules. But I think this has been blown out of proportion and it's looking like "one rule for one and one rule for another"

[Bound]

Hah! Biatch is on the decline my ass!

Shouldn't say things like that when you ain't been on in weeks. Shame to see it end like this Pro, I was hoping to get better than you one day and own you.

Ah well

[crawly]

Let this be the definitive, yet rambling, answer to the question of cheating:

I remember a similar debate many moons ago with scooby snacks from the ZW(ankers) clan... back when I had never heard about rates and stuff. He was a very very good (hacker) player and nigh-on everyone - even his own clan - accused him of hacking, though mostly just to slag him off, but he always got very worked up over it. Fair enough, if he wasn't cheating you'd understand. So he explained in great detail about how he fiddled with his rates and that made him play better. I think the decision from BIATCH was unanimous (or nearly so) that this was not acceptable, as it made things uneven - he had an advantage over everyone else. Ok so it's easy to change your rates yourself and get the same advantage. But if everyone optimized their rates, then the playing field becomes level, so there is no net benefit from changing rates in the first place! And at what point is it "fine-tuning your PC/net connection" and when does it become cheating?

Not sure why I mentioned that. But as regards fiddling with the way the game is played - BIATCH has always, always been about realism. That is why we have had FF turned on from day one (even when Tef is on the server ) It is one reason why I prefer AWPs to be banned - sniper rifles exist in real life, but no real-life sniper uses his gun the way CS players do... anyway (bring back autosnipers tho ).

Removing dead bodies is unrealistic - it makes the game easier. Maybe not a lot, but it does help. Anyone ever shot at a dead body by mistake before??? Making the game easier by contravening the rules of the game IS cheating, by OUR definition. Scooby, defending his rate hax, constantly pointed out that it was ok by the rules of some poxy online tourney or other. Erm, are we playing in a tournement? NO. We are playing on OUR server. So we don't give a flying, slapped-like-Tempy fook what rules other people play by. You play on our server, you play by our rules. What comes up EVERY TIME you log onto BIATCH? "IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT, THEN FCUK OFF". We don't have unreasonable rules. Respect the admins, Respect Crawly, Don't Cheat. A cheat doesn't have to be some hack you download off the net. A cheat can be as simple as using a marker to put a dot on the screen to mark where your AWP will fire (heard that from someone) or turning up the gamma so high you can see in the darkest of corridors. It's unrealistic, and if you don't like the realism of CS, go play Quake3 (don't get me wrong, I like quake as well, but CS is supposed to be about realism, and we have always supported that).

If you want to screw with the graphics engine to improve your FPS, well boo-hoo. I can barely play CS properly on my pocket calculator, but I'd sooner play with the occasional slow-down than cheat. Turn down the detail levels. All the way down. I had to swallow my pride and run CSS at 640x480 and play the game in a special refrigerated environment, wearing special gloves so the liquid nitrogen doesn't freeze my fingers to the keyboard. But I still play the game with realism and fairness turned all the way up. Hell I won't even turn up the brightness on my monitor so the dark passages (oo-er!) look bright as day like some people. I know that's probably a bit extreme and I am not speaking for the clan on that point. But my real point is - you play on our server, you accept our definition of "fair play" and "cheating". Either that... or you fcuk off.

Now I gotta get back to work, I've earned about 8.50 euro writing this rant...

[Protaz]

yeh i undertsand what your saying crawly, but this isnt about me wanting to come back on the server im just pissed off with the backstabbing thats gone on.

People sending configs and saying they are mine or my clan members and they obviously are not, and then it woz poorly handled for the fact that soon as my m8 joined the server he got kicked and banned no explanation or anything, im glad u gave him a chance to defend himself very nice of you.

And Devil u saying u woz trying to talk to me calmly u know thats not the case all i got woz simple sentence's from u like: "He used remove dead bodies" "Dodgy config" And "Your whole clan are cheaters", and u wonder why i got frustrated with you.

It woz just blind luck thet i said i used remove dead bodies, u know why? because so many people use it. Whatever u might wana say YOU DO NOT HAVE ANY OF MY CLAN MEMBERS CONFIGS FACT!! Sumone has obviously sent u a fake or just trying to be funny.

The fact you just grab the config and say BANNED period, annoys the hell out of me u dont know whos config it actually is, anyone can put a different name on a config it isnt hard.

And snowy i apolagise my friend wont come on the forums and defend himself because he doesnt care, biatch woz just a random server for him he came on like 1 or 2 times ever. Im just trying to defend myself as devil and wedge have said and moony stated they say its my config

[crawly]

just to clear something up - snow, did you specifically somehow get protaz's config? the way i read your first post, I thought you were sayin "oh yeah I tried out one of those remove-dead-bodies configs, that i got from someone" - rather than "someone gave me your config protaz and you're a gay hax0r". Am I right snoweh?

[Snowman]

The profile I was given was not specifically identified as that which Protaz uses but that some UAC were using. I was given it beginning of Sep and wont say who by unless they say otherwise.

I tried it out to see what it did which I was asked to look at by that person. I dont use it incase your wondering.

[Protaz]

ok so if i understand rite snowy got a config off uac, devil said its my config u also said it woz a config of sumone in my clan,
and this is definatley not just about my clan member because aprently devil showed the config to scrappy from geordies and said it woz mine and got me banned u see why im confused ?

[wedge]

yep you must be confused, in my post where do i accuse you of using this, i said as you can see. read it how yer like

yep agreed dev and snow any form of manipulation is cheating in my book, this is why we have a ratew checker and anti cheat, however removing bodies from the map whilst playing imo is a cheat as well, protaz is a good player, but if he thinks that cause he has history with biatch gives him less right to be banned then he is sorely mistaken, protaz if this is the config you still use then you're not welcome on our server.

and moony how about fuck off you prick, this is what you wrote

I don't get it. Snowy said Protaz hasn't been questioned, but Wedge says it's the cfg he uses. So did Devil dog. Who exactly sent this config to Devil and who says they are a legit source???

i dont look a peoples configs, i aint that intrested, but if i think anyone is cheating they get banned end of.

[Protaz]

Look wedge my last post didnt say u in perticular at the end of your post u say "If this is the config you still use your not welcome on the server" which i know isnt implying that its my config 100% but still u thought it woz mine from what devil put, And snowy said it woz my clan m8s, thats all i ment.

But anyway i cant be botherd to post anymore its just not worth it this is obviously a big mix up and gone way to far. Wether you think its mine or my friends or anyone elses i give up trying to find out. The point is i got back stabbed to the max when devil dog got me banned from another server telling them i had a dodgy config and scripted wtf.

Maybe this can be sorted out maybe not, i didnt mean to come across as a idiot by saying biatch woz no fun but considering what happened arent i alowd to be a little pissed ?

But anyway i had a great time when i did play on biatch met alot of nice guys alot of bad ones but woz always a good laugh, i havnt been on there for ages but i always thought id be welcome on there but now i see im not, So guess ill see you guys around.

[VoLaTiLe]

so we're talking about fps? if people have better fps then u its called cheating? i dont get how changing your config is any different from buying a pc that is teh bollucks are runs at like 100fps, does this not give someone a huge advantage over my sub 30fps, if so why is this not called cheating when changing a config is to get better fps is? please, fill me in!

[PyRo]

haha vola I'm an official cheater then because I get 100+ fps and it only drops to 80-90 in a big firefight and thats without even touching my config